Why is a “potential” fossil of microbial “life” on Mars considered life, but a developing, growing, ALIVE baby considered not alive?
Being a vegetarian/vegan vs. not has NOTHING to do with being pro-life or pro-choice.
How do you think you have a “choice” when it comes to killing another human being? 99% of the time, you made a CHOICE to have sex, odds are in favor that you made a CHOICE not to take adequate precautions. Your choices end there, because your choices should not infringe on anyone else’s right to life. Yeah, your BABY is an “anyone else”For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place,
when I was woven together in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my unformed body;
all the days ordained for me were written in your book
before one of them came to be.
Psalm 139:13-16
“Before I formed you in the womb I knewyou,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Jeremiah 1:5“A person’s a person - no matter how small!”
- Dr Seuss
I’m gonna stop you right there, OP.
One, you mention that 99% of the time people who have sex do it voluntarily. If 99% of the time, sex is voluntary, you’re implying that the remaining 1% of the time, non-voluntary sex, also known as rape, happens! Point A, if you’re suggesting that rape only happens 1% of the time, hoo buddy are you EVER downplaying something that shouldn’t be downplayed!!! Point B, if you’re going to criticize someone who was raped for getting an abortion I’m gonna need you to step RIGHT THE FUCK OFF.
Two, while it is still common to call a developing fetus a “child” or a “baby” while it’s still in the womb, it’s medically either an embryo or a fetus until it gets born. Do I agree with late-term abortion, when the fetus is closest to getting born/being able survive outside the womb? I don’t fucking know! I haven’t fully formed my opinion of that yet! But to lots of people who strongly consider getting an abortion, they do not look at an ultrasound and have fast-forwards of a future of parenthood. They look at the ultrasound and see a clump of cells that may or may not represent something, good or bad. They might consider those cells a child, sure. But they might also consider those cells a parasite (would you advocate someone being forced to host a tapeworm for nine months?:), or a threat to their ability to live a fulfilling life (social standing or career prospects or economic security, the list goes on and on), or a way for the person who impregnated them to run their life, even!
Three, believe it or not, abortion really isn’t something most people go about casually!! It’s a fucking heavy decision, whether the pregnancy was wanted or not!! Consider cases where the pregnancy could threaten the life of the person carrying it! Consider cases where there’s a life-threatening condition present in the fetus that would greatly reduce the chance of survival after birth! Consider cases of rape! Consider cases of pregnancy causing dysphoric or phobic reactions! Consider physical, mental, or economic conditions that would cause someone to not be able to carry a pregnancy to term and raise a child! Consider cases of preteens getting pregnant when holy shit, a preteen body ISN’T FUCKING READY TO DEAL WITH THAT! Do you HONESTLY think that in ANY of those cases, somebody would just stroll into a clinic singing Tiptoe Through The Tulips, have an abortion done, and go skipping out like nothing ever happened? NOPE.
Four, “odds are in favor that you made a CHOICE not to use adequate precautions.” Wow, way to assume shit, and way to be a judgmental, pretentious snotrag! And you’re disregarding the fact that contraceptives are NOT 100% EFFECTIVE. Condoms break. People miss their pills sometimes. Hormonal BC rings or IUDs can slip out. Non-hormonal insertable contraceptives that are NOT latex condoms, like diaphragms and such, are less effective at preventing pregnancy. Also, consider that sometimes, people can’t get access to contraceptives or never learn how to use them properly!! Sure, unintended pregnancies can and do happen because people don’t use contraceptives, but the way you’re posing your argument almost sounds like you want to blame people for the fact that contraceptives don’t always work. Which is NOT a thing that makes for a valid argument.
Five, your “microbes on Mars versus fetus” argument doesn’t hold up. A fossil of a microbe on Mars demonstrates that there could have been a life-form on Mars that was capable of surviving independently of the life-form it came from. An embryo or a fetus that cannot survive outside the womb is not the same thing. It can’t survive independently before a certain point in the pregnancy. So yes, fossils of microbes on Mars suggest “life” because the microbe can survive on its own, separately from the microbe(s) that contributed to its existence.
Six, you’re bible-thumping as if Christianity is a thing that everyone solidly believes in. You seem to work with the idea that Every Person Ever believes the exact same thing you do and believes it with as much conviction as you do. You’re talking down to us as if we’re naughty children in kindergarten who need to be reminded not to take little Johnny’s blocks or push little Suzy into a cubbyhole! Hey guess what! You’re being a condescending snotrag again! And hey, guess what else? NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES IN THE SAME RELIGION AS YOU! The world doesn’t work like that! And wasn’t American society founded with explicit instructions on separation of church and state? Yes it was! And even if you’re not asking the government to ban abortion, it’s still kind of a dick move to use your religion as an excuse to police people’s actions!!
Seven, you are dishonoring Dr. Seuss with your citation of Horton Hears A Who! When he was alive, he objected so strongly to the use of that book to spread anti-abortion messages that he threatened to sue anti-abortion groups for using it. He did NOT write that book to defend the unborn from “heartless” baby-killers! Here, check out this list of other possible meanings for Horton Hears a Who, tell me what you think of those!
And finally, eight. The reasoning you give seems to be little more than an attempt to guilt-trip people who have sex, get pregnant, and have abortions into either a) feeling miserable about a really difficult decision they made, or b) bringing a kid into the world in a situation that would end up being extremely unfavorable to parent, child, or both. This mentality is nothing short of fucking POISON. You are not in a position to force your ethical code onto someone in a situation where the well-being of that person may depend on their ability to choose what happens to their own body. You are not in a position to demand that another person allow something to grow inside them and radically alter their body because of beliefs you hold that MAY NOT EVEN BE THE SAME AS THE PERSON MAKING THE DECISION. You are NOT in a position to shame and blame someone for making a decision that affects their body. NOR are you in a position to force compliance with demands that someone have a child just because YOU define having a child as the ONLY option once pregnant, no matter what the circumstances.
Dear epichlexi, you say that a child is not a choice, but you know what I say?
A child is not a punishment.
And the way you make your arguments, you are reducing what you see as a child into a tool to punish someone for violating YOUR personal moral code.
Good fucking BYE.
